KingLing Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Is it hard for Thai people to say I am sorry when they know that they are in the wrong or do they just flash it off like nothing was wrong just to save face ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbkbkk Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 "'Face' refers to two separate but related concepts in Thai and Chinese social relations. One is mianzi and the other is lian, which are both used commonly in everyday speech rather than in formal writings. Lian is the confidence of society in a person's moral character, while mianzi represents social perceptions of a person's prestige. For a person to maintain face is important with Thai and Chinese social relations because face translates into power and influence and affects goodwill. A loss of lian would result in a loss of trust within a social network, while a loss of mianzi would likely result in a loss of authority. To illustrate the difference, gossiping about someone stealing from a cash register would cause a loss of lian but not mianzi. Repeatedly interrupting one's boss as he is trying to speak may cause the boss a loss of mianzi but not lian." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerPoof Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Ppl said I say sorry too much, now I'll try not to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 "'Face' refers to two separate but related concepts in Thai and Chinese social relations. One is mianzi and the other is lian, which are both used commonly in everyday speech rather than in formal writings.Lian is the confidence of society in a person's moral character, while mianzi represents social perceptions of a person's prestige. For a person to maintain face is important with Thai and Chinese social relations because face translates into power and influence and affects goodwill. A loss of lian would result in a loss of trust within a social network, while a loss of mianzi would likely result in a loss of authority. To illustrate the difference, gossiping about someone stealing from a cash register would cause a loss of lian but not mianzi. Repeatedly interrupting one's boss as he is trying to speak may cause the boss a loss of mianzi but not lian." Good info mate. Never heard that explained this way before. Interesting. I think also, in Thailand especially, a persons ego is one of the most important things and VERY sensitive indeed. I saw a survey done a few years ago here which ask Thai people what their top 10 most important things to them were. Ego came out top, even above family and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLing Posted January 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 "'Face' refers to two separate but related concepts in Thai and Chinese social relations. One is mianzi and the other is lian, which are both used commonly in everyday speech rather than in formal writings.Lian is the confidence of society in a person's moral character, while mianzi represents social perceptions of a person's prestige. For a person to maintain face is important with Thai and Chinese social relations because face translates into power and influence and affects goodwill. A loss of lian would result in a loss of trust within a social network, while a loss of mianzi would likely result in a loss of authority. To illustrate the difference, gossiping about someone stealing from a cash register would cause a loss of lian but not mianzi. Repeatedly interrupting one's boss as he is trying to speak may cause the boss a loss of mianzi but not lian." Good info mate. Never heard that explained this way before. Interesting. I think also, in Thailand especially, a persons ego is one of the most important things and VERY sensitive indeed. I saw a survey done a few years ago here which ask Thai people what their top 10 most important things to them were. Ego came out top, even above family and money. In essence for a Thai person to say " I am sorry " would be very hard to do and in doing so it would be neither Lian or Mianzi................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbkbkk Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 "'Face' refers to two separate but related concepts in Thai and Chinese social relations. One is mianzi and the other is lian, which are both used commonly in everyday speech rather than in formal writings.Lian is the confidence of society in a person's moral character, while mianzi represents social perceptions of a person's prestige. For a person to maintain face is important with Thai and Chinese social relations because face translates into power and influence and affects goodwill. A loss of lian would result in a loss of trust within a social network, while a loss of mianzi would likely result in a loss of authority. To illustrate the difference, gossiping about someone stealing from a cash register would cause a loss of lian but not mianzi. Repeatedly interrupting one's boss as he is trying to speak may cause the boss a loss of mianzi but not lian." Good info mate. Never heard that explained this way before. Interesting. I think also, in Thailand especially, a persons ego is one of the most important things and VERY sensitive indeed. I saw a survey done a few years ago here which ask Thai people what their top 10 most important things to them were. Ego came out top, even above family and money. In essence for a Thai person to say " I am sorry " would be very hard to do and in doing so it would be neither Lian or Mianzi................ Honey is a lot easier to say for thai girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetieBabie Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 I don't wanna hear, I don't wanna know Please don't say you're sorry I've heard it all before And I can take care of myself I don't wanna hear, I don't wanna know Please don't say 'forgive me' I've seen it all before And I can't take it anymore You're not half the man you think you are Save your words because you've gone too far I've listened to your lies and all your stories (Listen to your stories) You're not half the man you'd like to be Don't explain yourself 'cause talk is cheap There's more important things than hearing you speak You stayed because I made it so convenient Don't explain yourself, you'll never see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbkbkk Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 I don't wanna hear, I don't wanna know Please don't say you're sorry I've heard it all before And I can take care of myself I don't wanna hear, I don't wanna know Please don't say 'forgive me' I've seen it all before And I can't take it anymore You're not half the man you think you are Save your words because you've gone too far I've listened to your lies and all your stories (Listen to your stories) You're not half the man you'd like to be Don't explain yourself 'cause talk is cheap There's more important things than hearing you speak You stayed because I made it so convenient Don't explain yourself, you'll never see Talk to me softly There is something in your eyes Don't hang your head in sorrow And please don't cry I know how you feel inside I've I've been there before Somethin is changin' inside you And don't you know, SweetieBabie And please remember that I never lied And please remember how I felt inside now honey You gotta make it your own way But you'll be alright now sugar You'll feel better tomorrow Come the morning light now, SweetieBabie Give me a whisper And give me a sign Give me a kiss before you tell me goodbye Don't you take it so hard now And please don't take it so bad I'll still be thinkin' of you And the times we had... SweetieBabie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbkbkk Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Ppl said I say sorry too much, now I'll try not to.... excuse me, but you cut in front of me in this thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNO Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Ppl said I say sorry too much, now I'll try not to.... did you ever say sorry to poor Stevie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbkbkk Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Is it hard for Thai people to say I am sorry when they know that they are in the wrong or do they just flash it off like nothing was wrong just to save face ????? thai girls say sorry to me all the times. but usually " i am sorry I know your sorry asx..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLing Posted January 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 I am glad that we had this time together.... Just to have a laugh or sing a song.......... But before you know it.......................... It's time to say so longgggggggggggg ....... " I am sorry " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbkbkk Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 I am glad that we had this time together....Just to have a laugh or sing a song.......... But before you know it.......................... It's time to say so longgggggggggggg ....... " I am sorry " don't forget to pay her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerPoof Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Ppl said I say sorry too much, now I'll try not to.... did you ever say sorry to poor Stevie? See the meaning of my comment above? I'm not going to say sorry.. duh! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANNO Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Ppl said I say sorry too much, now I'll try not to.... did you ever say sorry to poor Stevie? See the meaning of my comment above? I'm not going to say sorry.. duh! lol "sorry" :wink: Stevie ...I tried for ya buddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chatty Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Is it hard for Thai people to say I am sorry when they know that they are in the wrong or do they just flash it off like nothing was wrong just to save face ????? I said sorry a hundred time a day.. it's not that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Was/is almost impossible for my ex to say "sorry". It did happen occasionally though this was very rare. Too much damned pride and ego. Far easier, it would seem, to find blame in another (me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 There's also a difference between saying you're sorry and actually being sorry. I hear "Sorry" a lot but I suspect some of those times the person could care less :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carz79 Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Some people just don't have "sorry" as part of their vocabulary. Is saying "Please accept my apologies" the same as saying sorry? Not for me......I want to hear the word sorry! I did get a sorry when my ex gf cheated on me! But it did not prevent me from not giving her a second chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 And a lot of times they will try and flip the table on you. They screwed up, and that's ok. We all make mistakes. But then if you press them to apologize so you can move on, it turns into a big freakin' deal, and the apology might come out as "I'm sorry, now are you happy?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carz79 Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Courtesy of Brenda Lee, (I'm sorry) I'm sorry (So sorry) So sorry Please accept my apology But love is blind And I was to blind to see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiGPQVUJqq0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLing Posted January 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 And a lot of times they will try and flip the table on you. They screwed up, and that's ok. We all make mistakes. But then if you press them to apologize so you can move on, it turns into a big freakin' deal, and the apology might come out as "I'm sorry, now are you happy?!" I wonder who is wearing the pants in the house ????? Baby Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeMarc Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 And a lot of times they will try and flip the table on you. They screwed up, and that's ok. We all make mistakes. But then if you press them to apologize so you can move on, it turns into a big freakin' deal, and the apology might come out as "I'm sorry, now are you happy?!" Oh... how I know that situation TOO well. Many times it was me who ended up apologising just to stop the ******* drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin_2 Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 And a lot of times they will try and flip the table on you. They screwed up, and that's ok. We all make mistakes. But then if you press them to apologize so you can move on, it turns into a big freakin' deal, and the apology might come out as "I'm sorry, now are you happy?!" I wonder who is wearing the pants in the house ????? Baby Boy If it were Jeab pulling that BS, for sure she wouldn't be my wife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLing Posted January 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 And a lot of times they will try and flip the table on you. They screwed up, and that's ok. We all make mistakes. But then if you press them to apologize so you can move on, it turns into a big freakin' deal, and the apology might come out as "I'm sorry, now are you happy?!" I wonder who is wearing the pants in the house ????? Baby Boy If it were Jeab pulling that BS, for sure she wouldn't be my wife! Yoma is in the house Yoma is in the house Boss Yoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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